Shadow Banning on Upwork

EpiqEDEM 😎 · 2024-12-30T20:47:50+00:00

The self-proclaimed Upwork expert, could you please shed some light on the concept of Upwork shadow-banning? (Where Shadow banning means, blocking a user...

Petra

rlatief

Why else would the client archive my proposal without click-opening it? If it's not for my face, or the snippet (the first two lines etc.) was completely out of their view somehow. To emphasize again, the job was quite specific where it doesn't attract lots of freelancers/bots and client even still took days before hiring.

It could be anything, your price/rate, your location, something about the first two lines...

Your AI profile picture will make it worse, not better. Clients don't want to hire fakes. Even if it is your face essentially, those pictures are ghastly and so obvious. Immediate reason to archive for me, every time, possibly after flagging the profile as possible fake.

rlatief

Petra

So it's anything, except the possibility of intentional profile hiding by Upwork.

How about your confident "proposals are not rotated" statement btw.? It's hard to continue the discussion when my argument responded simply with "it could be anything".

Got any real argument/reasons about why the client "archive" my proposal without clicking it?

Petra your price/rate,

As written in the previous forum, project budget was $100, I bid $75, and client got conned on the same job earlier. So why client archive my proposal without clicking? Anything, except client did not see the proposal snippet?

And no I haven't change my photo yet at that time, although your statement is weak. You're saying you'll skip/report freelancers with "photo studio" profiles?

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Eve Christianity is no different from any other system, it's more aggressive than some, less aggressive than other. Whatever they wrote, they apparently needed that. Also, Qumran scripts exist, as well as original versions of New Testament that have been rewritten or forgotten. Quite fascinating read but impossible to digest by "real christians" or whatever they call themselves, as the foundation of this system seems to be depriving people from any knowledge. Fully agree that anyone can believe in anything they want, it's a matter of not being intrusive and judgemental. For this fact I take christians and especially catholics as the most aggressive people re. religion. I'd never tell them my faith even though discussion could be so inspiring, heated even but done among properly educated people this could be amazing. But yes, religion and politics are the topics that get most people really agitated, let's not stray from the subject of this topic (unless the author gave up, which looks like XD).

Petra

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Petra Good one. But I'm not an atheist.

DuncanThePig

Eve

Eve Those stories were added later after Jesus became popular, and people wanted to know more about him. So then some people started to write about his birth and childhood.

I think that's most likely.

I've seen him compared to St. George. Historians think the St. was likely a Roman Centurion who did some cool stuff and stories grew about him. For example, he might have killed a particularly troublesome bear which gradually evolved into a dragon as the stories were embellished over time.

Same thing with Jesus* I reckon (*Jesus was a common title at the time, not a name). He was probably a pretty cool rabbi who became some divine, celestial being as campfire stories were added to.

Eve I also believe that religion in general is at the root of most evil and suffering in the world.

Same here. They preach love and kittens but in reality, the books are horror stories. Deuteronomy is particularly disturbing. Thankfully though, many cherrypick the good bits.

Petra

rlatief

I don't believe you are in any way interested in a factual, rational discussion and prefer to cling on to your conspiracy theory for dear life instead.

That is not basis for a meaningful exchange, so I'll let you carry on believing that Upwork, for some bizarre reason, chooses to hide your proposals.

Enjoy your tin hat and all the best in 2025.

rlatief

Petra I don't believe you are in any way interested in a factual, rational discussion
Petra not basis for a meaningful exchange

Agreed, especially when statements you thrown in full confidence got broken so quick and you responded with "it could be anything".

So typical.

I need to say again that I'm not actually complaining. I said that I can see it from their POV, and I prefer to call it an "aggressive rotation method" than a ban.

I also said many times that it doesn't happen to everyone, but I'm part of people who experienced it.

You set your mind on something and you can't listen to anyone else's reasoning and experience, even when your argument got broken.

You're a "pious" rule follower who got banned for being stubborn in breaking rules. Think about that.

Petra

rlatief - Come on. How can you expect anyone to read your client's mind and know what it was that made the client click on "archive" and remove you from their list of possible hires? Maybe they didn't like you lowballing? Why would you apply at 25% below budget?

Nothing I said "got broken" either.

rlatief

Petra

Statistically it's possible that a client slipped their finger and archive a proposal without realizing it. I'm not talking about such things.

Petra lowballing

The winning bid was lower than mine, and in any case that doesn't really explain why they didn't click-open mine, except there's something in the snippet was a major turn off, or, they never saw the snippet.

Proposal count are low, I submitted early, etc.

Petra Why would you apply at 25% below budget?

Because it's a less than an hour job.

Petra Nothing I said "got broken" either

That's true if your confidence made you think that even the mod was wrong in her statement.

Andrea

EpiqEDEM 😎 Well, I'll be... this is the first time in years I can't find someone. I have never seen any evidence of shadowbanning but not being able to look into it further I can't find the issue. My advice would be to reach out to support and ask them to find you and send you a screeenshot of your tile in search.

I know you said in your original post that "I don't mean account restrictions, suspension or blocking. Yes, Upwork does shadow-ban!" but later in another post you mention "This has to do with recent account holds." So my educated guess is that there is an issue with restoring your profile to the search after it was restricted from an account hold.

Still, your profile is public as I was able to see it and so, if you're struggling, it may be worth looking at your proposals rather than just your profile being visible on search. Your profile being in search would only result in invitations if anything so submitting proposals is actually where the bulk of your success would be coming from.

EpiqEDEM 😎

Andrea Thank you!
PS: I am not struggling.

Andrea

EpiqEDEM 😎 Ahh sorry, got the wrong idea from some of the replies. Happy to hear that!

josefinathegreat

rlatief
I could also agree a bit. I'm top rated and have high score and all this but somehow my profile spikes now only every 3-4 m where I get all of sudden many invites, which is just few actually, in compare to 8 y ago where I would get 2-3 invites a week.
Anyway I spent so many connects not landing a single job, barely views. When I boost my profile, nothing either. Like I'm dead, until rare moment I get rotated out of dead shelve.

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