Shadow Banning on Upwork

Petra It's usually the first two lines.

My first two lines usually works. Please read on.

Petra Proposals are not rotated. Proposals are in the order of "best match" by default, and the boosted ones on top.

Mod Avery mentioned proposals are rotated although not in the same way as profiles. And how could people with no history be placed as best match if not because of some "rotation"? Even if their description and/or portfolio are a perfect match, I doubt there's nobody with some history/reviews, that are also a perfect match, but they're placed in the Other Folder instead.

So I trust the proposals are rotated without the mod having to confirm about it, and I'm not saying that I'm against it. I see things from their (Upwork) POV as well. Without the rotation, newbs will have no chance.

Petra Chances are the client archived your proposal early in the process.

Why? As I also mentioned in the previous forum, what's left is only my face, because my first two lines (almost) always worked, before the rotation era. They worked even when my profile description was worse than it is now. I used to have only a single sentence in the description. My profile is bad, I got hired by convincing clients with proposals, starting with the snippet (first two lines).

The hired person was someone with rising talent badge. My earnings bigger, and I'm quite certain my first two lines was also better and I'm quite confident client will interview me IF they click-open the proposal, as what usually happened before the "Upwork vision change".

Why else would the client archive my proposal without click-opening it? If it's not for my face, or the snippet (the first two lines etc.) was completely out of their view somehow. To emphasize again, the job was quite specific where it doesn't attract lots of freelancers/bots and client even still took days before hiring.

And again, this doesn't happen to everyone, I know, where my bad/incomplete profile might have a part in why the algo still prefer to put me at the bottom on most of the rotations.

Mark I also do not have any faith in the <5 proposals because that number is not consistent

I'm aware of the caching and often tell people that we can't really complain about it because you don't want to count the number of proposals in real time for every job when generating the list for probably a few times per second. I understand about archiving as well.

And again, this doesn't happen to everyone, but that's what I experienced.

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Eve

Eve Those stories were added later after Jesus became popular, and people wanted to know more about him. So then some people started to write about his birth and childhood.

I think that's most likely.

I've seen him compared to St. George. Historians think the St. was likely a Roman Centurion who did some cool stuff and stories grew about him. For example, he might have killed a particularly troublesome bear which gradually evolved into a dragon as the stories were embellished over time.

Same thing with Jesus* I reckon (*Jesus was a common title at the time, not a name). He was probably a pretty cool rabbi who became some divine, celestial being as campfire stories were added to.

Eve I also believe that religion in general is at the root of most evil and suffering in the world.

Same here. They preach love and kittens but in reality, the books are horror stories. Deuteronomy is particularly disturbing. Thankfully though, many cherrypick the good bits.

Petra

So it's anything, except the possibility of intentional profile hiding by Upwork.

How about your confident "proposals are not rotated" statement btw.? It's hard to continue the discussion when my argument responded simply with "it could be anything".

Got any real argument/reasons about why the client "archive" my proposal without clicking it?

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Petra your price/rate,

As written in the previous forum, project budget was $100, I bid $75, and client got conned on the same job earlier. So why client archive my proposal without clicking? Anything, except client did not see the proposal snippet?

And no I haven't change my photo yet at that time, although your statement is weak. You're saying you'll skip/report freelancers with "photo studio" profiles?

Petra I don't believe you are in any way interested in a factual, rational discussion
Petra not basis for a meaningful exchange

Agreed, especially when statements you thrown in full confidence got broken so quick and you responded with "it could be anything".

So typical.

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I need to say again that I'm not actually complaining. I said that I can see it from their POV, and I prefer to call it an "aggressive rotation method" than a ban.

I also said many times that it doesn't happen to everyone, but I'm part of people who experienced it.

You set your mind on something and you can't listen to anyone else's reasoning and experience, even when your argument got broken.

You're a "pious" rule follower who got banned for being stubborn in breaking rules. Think about that.

Petra

Statistically it's possible that a client slipped their finger and archive a proposal without realizing it. I'm not talking about such things.

Petra lowballing

The winning bid was lower than mine, and in any case that doesn't really explain why they didn't click-open mine, except there's something in the snippet was a major turn off, or, they never saw the snippet.

Proposal count are low, I submitted early, etc.

Petra Why would you apply at 25% below budget?

Because it's a less than an hour job.

Petra Nothing I said "got broken" either

That's true if your confidence made you think that even the mod was wrong in her statement.