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How to tell me you wrote your proposal with AI without telling me that you wrote your proposal with AI.

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    Robin Also: must have done this, must have done that, must have done the other.

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    I azure yous I wroted these proposing no use AI no use ottokorect.

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    In an alternate form:

    How do you feel about proposals obviously written by AI?

    My thoughts: these clients wouldn't last long when they come to test an app I create for them. Never mind giving me their requirements in their own words, or showing willing to partake in that process.

    And I see an increasing amount of this unwillingness to go through any pain for their gain.

    "We are seeking a talented XYZ professional to ABC."

    "The ideal candidate will have a strong background in [three things which probably don't relate to the job title]."

    "If you are passionate about [insert something] and have a keen eye for detail, we would love to hear from you!"

    ...
    Usually all three in the same listing, of course.

    Any passion I had for [insert something] vaporizes when I see that the employer doesn't have enough passion for it, to write their own listing.

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      Kelly_E "We are seeking a talented XYZ professional to ABC."

      "The ideal candidate will have a strong background in [three things which probably don't relate to the job title]."

      "If you are passionate about [insert something] and have a keen eye for detail, we would love to hear from you!"

      And this is the kind of fluff that gets written into full time job ads for junior to mid-level employees. Shows how smart the AI is. You'd think Upwork would be able to train their job-writing bot on a set of good examples from the freelance world…

      Less of the pizza friday stuff and more definition of the problem.

        Robin What kills me is, do they (employers) not KNOW we see 50 or more of this exact wording per day?

        How do they expect US, to differentiate THEM?

        Or do they think they're so special it'll shine through this pablum somehow?

          Kelly_E No, I don't think they realize. It's not really that bad wording until you see it a billion times over. One of those things that would be obvious in retrospective but it doesn't really cross your mind in the moment.

          I don't expect clients to know anything. My typical client does not really know much about what I do or how I do it so expecting them to put out a job post that makes sense is asking a lot. Personally, I feel my industry is filled with bad job ads in general (not just in freelancing) and people who should know better focus on all the wrong things. Really what I want to know from clients is what is more about what their problems are rather than what the solutions might be.

          I also will never call them employers, mindset is very important and before they are clients they are prospects.

            Mark I usually call them job-listers, because heaven knows they turn into clients precious little... but I was feeling a little typing-challenged just then. :-)

            Those phrases sound familiar from my feed on Upwork. I don't mind the blah blah as much as the fact that many close with 'Please attach samples of similar work you have completed in the past '. I mean, if it's not there in the portfolio, there is bound to be a reason why I can't share it.

              Robin Obviously. And that is why I don't bother with those RFPs. I'm not going to waste connects on people who don't know what they are doing.

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                I'm not going to waste connects on people who don't know what they are doing.

                I don't mind clients who don't know what they're doing. I do mind clients who fail to tell me what they want me to do.

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                Latest thing I'm seeing is AI-written Scopes of Work in job descriptions & breakdown of implementation timeframes 🤦‍♂️

                AI choosing technologies and setting out projects for clients, with zero time being included for requirements gathering / proper scoping / project initiation by an experienced human… a forever problem now being compounded by generative AI.

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